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“We’ve got to start by finding a ruined city of giants,”said Jill. “Aslan said so.”
“Got to start by finding it，have we ？”answered Puddleglum. “Not allowed to start by looking for it，I suppose ？”
“That’s what I meant，of course,”said Jill. “And then，when we’ve found it—”
“Yes，when ！ ”said Puddleglum very drily.
“Doesn’t anyone know where it is ？”asked Scrubb.
“I don’t know about Anyone,”said Puddleglum. “And I won’t say I haven’t heard of that Ruined City. You wouldn’t start from the fountain，though. You’d have to go across Ettinsmoor. That’s where the Ruined City is，if it’s anywhere. But I’ve been as far in that direction as most people and I never got to any ruins，so I won’t deceive you.”
“Where’s Ettinsmoor ？”said Scrubb.
“Look over there northward,”said Puddleglum，pointing with his pipe. “See those hills and bits of cliff ？ That’s the beginning of Ettinsmoor. But there’s a river between it and us；the river Shribble. No bridges，of course.”
“I suppose we can ford it，though,”said Scrubb.
“Well，it has been forded,”admitted the Marsh-wiggle.
